So, What's It Like To Be On Arafat's Hit List
Interviews by Shai Gefen
Is there no end to the Palestiniansí chutzpa?! Two weeks ago the Palestinians
tried giving their Israeli ďpeace partnersĒ a list of ďwanted Jews.Ē Beis
Moshiach interviewed some of the people on this list: Noam Livnat of Alon Moreh,
Boruch Marzel of Tel Romeida, Chagai Segal of Ofra, Noam Federman of Beit
Schneerson in Chevron, Yehuda Etzion of the Chai VíKayam movement, and Knesset
member Tzvi Hendel, who has received death threats and has round-the-clock Shin
Bet protection. Actually, it looks like all of Ahm Yisroel is on the hit list,
ríl. May Hashem protect us.
Sharon governmentís policy of restraint has not exactly quieted things down in
the Middle East, despite Israelís agreement to have American observers in the
territories, and despite government rule by Leftist politics, which includes a
total freeze on building in Yesha. Palestinian defiance continues to grow.
audacity reached its pinnacle when they sought to present the Israeli security
forces with a ďwanted listĒ along with a demand that Israel arrest these people.
If Israel did not comply, these men would be on their hit list, ríl.
of ďChai VíKayamĒ
also on the list?
and I donít have a lot to say about it. I donít see it as a compliment or the
opposite. I can only say that when a country turns its enemies into partners
despite the latterís daily attempts at murdering Israeli citizens, thereís no
reason for the terrorists not to designate some of those citizens as
Furthermore, those that ask for our arrest are themselves wanted for murder and
attacks in Eretz Yisroel. I can only praise Israel for not accepting their list,
but just sitting with such despicable people in order to work out security
arrangements is itself contemptible.
did you get on the list?
no secret that they read our newspapers. They see and hear about my work on the
Temple Mount and they put me on the list. In addition, the fact that I used to
be the head of the Jewish underground is reason enough to want my head.
you afraid for your life?
no intentions of protecting myself. I am not afraid. In Ofra there are two
neighbors who were murdered even though they werenít on this list. They want the
blood of every Jew. My neighbors recently went to work and were murdered on the
way. Even if, chalila, I am attacked, my blood is no redder than that of
any other Jew, even if Iím on their list.
are greatly involved with the Temple Mount. Even under Sharonís government the
Temple Mount continues to be desecrated!
situation is far worse than it was under Barak. The Temple Mount is closed to
Jews now, though open to Arabs. The desecration continues and Arabs are
destroying every Jewish remnant. Not only does the Sharon government do nothing
to prevent this, but they even give their quiet consent.
this the Sharon you were hoping for?
has done some good things in his life, but we all know the other sides to his
personality. We all remember that he was the man who destroyed Yamit, so we
never saw him as the man who would save us. I suggest Sharon look and see where
his predecessor, Barak, is today.
the Right throw him out?
donít give advice to my friends on the Right. Thatís not my job right now. But
Iím sure that the way Sharon is acting now he wonít be able to last long even if
heís confident that he has a broad-based government and even if heís riding high
in the recent polls. Weíve already had prime ministers with polls like these who
found themselves on the way out.
and news announcer on Arutz 7
are on the Palestinian hit list...
unimpressed by it. Itís Palestinian chutzpa. Their demand comes from the
concessionary attitude the Sharon government has towards the Palestinians, where
instead of fighting them they still sit down with them. Although Israel did not
accept the list, it certainly shows how far the Arabsí defiance goes towards a
government that doesnít fight them and prefers talking to them.
are one of the senior staffers at Arutz 7, and this isnít the first time that
the Palestinians are attacking Arutz 7 for inciting against them.
glad they also understand that Arutz 7 is objective and is the media thatís been
exposing the holes in the Oslo Accords from day one, as well as other things
about the Oslo Accords. Itís no wonder that they see us as the enemy. Apparently
the Arabs are also aware of Arutz 7ís power.
recently had a broadcast in Arabic. Why?
that the Arabs hear us, too. I am not directly involved in that program, but we
have an Arabic broadcast which generates a lot of Arab responses.
not afraid of them or impressed by anything. I sleep just as peacefully at
night, but Iím certainly furious about the feeble reaction from the Sharon
government. I expected a stronger response from them to a liquidation list
against its own citizens, but thatís typical of the Sharon government. It fits
with the other steps he has been taking or not taking, including the policy of
restraint. I am sure the Palestinian chutzpa will increase because of
Sharonís policy of restraint and because he didnít respond strongly to the
request for our arrests.
do you have to say about Sharonís politics?
interviewed Sharon more than once on Arutz 7. He always expressed his anger
against any government that didnít deal properly with terrorism, and he
continually attacked the policy of restraint. Only he knew how to get rid of
terrorism. But from the moment he became prime minister he has been acting
precisely like the other prime ministers. I think Sharon is using Peres as an
excuse. Thereís definitely a sense of hopelessness in the face of a government
that grovels before its enemies, and conducts a policy of restraint and
have anything else to add?
like to thank all those good people who called to express their concern for my
welfare, both from Eretz Yisroel and abroad.
met with Shin-Bet operatives who warned you of a possible attempt on your life,
in light of intelligence information which came their way. You even get constant
donít want to get into that. We are in Eretz Yisroel and we will continue to
live in Eretz Yisroel forever.
your party, Ichud HaLeumi, still in the government?
Despite the policy of restraint, there is still no negotiation under fire even
though Peres is trying every trick in the book in order to achieve that. I would
definitely agree with Rabinís description of Peres as ďa tireless digger.Ē
what point must the Right topple Sharon?
think that the minute Sharon begins negotiations about giving away land, the
Right must leave. I can tell you that I am going through an intense personal
struggle. They are freezing the territories, and Peres and Beilin run the
government. The problem is that our leaving wonít topple Sharon; it will only
allow the Merkaz party of Dan Meridor to get in.
policies are being carried out under Sharonís government. What business do you
have being there at all?
of all, I donít have any position in the Sharon government, so I canít be
suspected of jockeying for position. It isnít easy for me to be in Sharonís
government now, but the big question is: What will be gained if we leave his
government now, when he is clearly not negotiating. I say clearly - the minute
Sharon goes to negotiations, we leave.
left Mafdal because it didnít leave Netanyahuís government after the Chevron
agreement, yet now you remain in Sharonís government?
Netanyahu we had the opportunity to topple him, so leaving Mafdal made sense. If
we have the opportunity to topple Sharonís government by leaving it, I wouldnít
hesitate for a second. I think Peres wants us to run away rather than him, and I
prefer that Peres leave and we stay on to influence Sharon.
next few weeks I hope we resolve our future in Sharonís coalition. We are
definitely in a difficult situation. I told Sharon not to get excited by the
polls, because his greatest support comes from those on the Left and Arabs, due
to his policy of restraint. When it comes down to it, though, they wonít stand
by him and he will fall. Unfortunately even the mediaís bear hug influences
of Beit Schneerson in Chevron
name appears on Arafatís ďwanted list.Ē Are you afraid?
not afraid. If they want to, they can try... The last one who tried getting near
me was Achmed Tibi and everybody saw what happened to him. We rely on Hashem and
are afraid of no one. We will continue moving around freely.
why, among thousands of people living in Yesha, did they choose Noam Federman?
not surprised. Itís nothing new that the Israeli government tries to create
parallels between us and murderers. The fact is that Israel has security
meetings with terrorists! Itís like the Mediterranean bazaars where if you get
something you have to give... This was Netanyahuís policy, too. He said,
ďTheyíll give and theyíll get. If they wonít give, they wonít get.Ē I suspect
that when Shin Bet agents go to Rafik Tirawi or to Muhammad Dachlan and ask them
to arrest a certain terrorist, they say, ďWe want something in exchangeĒ - me or
feel your blood has now been made cheap?
nothing new. My blood was made cheap years ago. The Shin Bet consistently
refuses to allow the army to give me weapons, which is utterly irresponsible.
They know I am a target from way back and they donít care.
you going to move to the center of the country any time soon?
We remain to protect Chevron and to guard Ahm Yisroel at the front. I
donít reject the possibility that the worst could happen to me since Arafatís
bodyguard and his Tanzim unit are gunning for me, but I put all my trust in
Hashem, our Father in Heaven, and I donít intend to hide behind sandbags or
armor plate. I prefer being a servant of Hashem and walking about freely, rather
than hiding in some hole. We will continue with all our battles. We wonít give
up until the last minute.
you view the present situation? Sharon has a policy of restraint while Peres
runs the show...
others, I did not vote for Sharon, and certainly not for Barak. I preferred
staying home, since I realized that the actions of the one were in the category
of niveila, and the other, a treifa. I had no expectations from
this man. Unlike others, I am not disappointed. For twenty years this man has
tried to be conciliatory and apologize for the butchery of Arabs by Arabs in
Sabra and Shatila, and this is the man who destroyed Yamit. I donít believe in
him since I believe he is capable of anything. So I say: donít be disappointed.
There are no expectations to be had from anyone who does not go in the ways of
Torah and emuna. We should get this into our heads.
whatís the solution? The Intifada rules. What can be done?
when the army does nothing for our security, I would rather they got out of here
as they did from Lebanon and left us the tanks - as they did for Hezbollah in
Lebanon - and we would take care of the work.
simply absurd. The army is not waging a war, yet the soldiers are protected from
head to toe. Private citizens, on the other hand, who ought to be protected, are
exposed on the front lines and are the ones being killed day after day. So what
do we need the army for? So that they can arrange meetings to get lists of
army doesnít protect Jews?
simply canít. They are demoralized. Tzahal is a fearful army. We have no
expectations from the army, and as I said earlier: it would be better for us if
they left us the means to fight terrorism. Whatís clear to us is that the state
of the army now in Yesha reminds us more and more of the army as it was in
before your name was publicized on their wanted list, there were explosions in
your car which miraculously didnít harm anyone. Do you think it has to do with
truth is that at first I thought Arabs had done it to harm me, but after I saw
the Shin Betís reaction, I wonder who was behind it. The same day there was a
bomb in my wifeís car, I was called down by the Shin Bet who wanted to clarify
that it wasnít them who had done it! That was weird, and red lights went off for
me regarding who was behind it after all.
Does the Shin Bet want to liquidate you?
donít think they wanted to bump me off, but maybe they wanted to frighten me or
incriminate me. There were incidents like this in the past, like with the
Kahalani brothers in Kiryat Arba. The Shin Bet planted weapons in their car in
order to incriminate them. I wonít hesitate to go to court with them if they
continue these games, but I think even the Shin Bet are afraid that the story
doesnít smell quite right.
should the Right do now?
says in Megillas Esther, the Jewish people have to stand and gather
together for their very lives. The situation is extremely grave. We are putting
our faith in broken vessels, when the Jewish nation elects spineless leaders,
leaders who donít believe in our eternal strength and in our future here. The
emuna must be upright and true so that when challenged, the emuna
we need to demonstrate to get Sharon
to allow the army to win?
donít believe in the effectiveness of activities like that now, and I donít
believe in our present leaders. I think the slogan ďLet the army winĒ is hollow.
This is an army behind fortresses, and we saw with the spies Moshe sent what the
significance of fortresses is (i.e., it means the city is weak). It certainly
doesnít demonstrate excessive strength. The solution must be a radical change to
a life based on faith and timeless values.
it in Chevron?
much quieter this past week. Perhaps it follows the attack on the Arab family.
We still donít know who did it, but it has gotten more peaceful.
it like to live in Beit Schneerson in the home of Rebbetzin Menucha Rochel?
incredible. We are living Jewish history in our own home. We are also in the
attic where the Rebbetzin would daven, and it definitely is a moving
experience. May she intercede on our behalf and on behalf of the entire Jewish
yishuv as she did in her lifetime, when she protected the yishuv.
of Tel Romeida
does it feel like to be ďwanted?Ē
feels very Jewish. Actually all Jews are wanted. The Gemara says itís a
halacha that Eisav hates Yaakov.
have the privilege of being first on the list!
(Smiling) I have some friends who are very upset that they are not on the
did they pick on you? Didnít Rafik Tirawi have anyone else to pick on?
donít know why he picked me of all people, but I think that Tirawi himself has
to be liquidated - the sooner the better - because it says, ďIf someone comes to
kill you, get up and kill him.Ē I can tell you that to us, Tirawi is a wanted
do you think of this situation in which the Israelis give their list of wanted
men, and the Arabs in turn present their list, as though the two lists are
bizarre and ridiculous when in the morning they give orders to kill women and
children and at noon they come for lunch and talk to their Israeli ďsecurityĒ
partners under the direction of the Americans. Does that sound normal to you? It
wonít lead to peace.
all this is happening under Sharonís government.
admit I worked against Barak, but I did not work on behalf of Sharon. Before the
elections I said that the day after Sharon would rise to power, we would have to
fight him. Now we see what direction things are going in. Sharon is following
Peresí policies almost completely. Itís actually the Sharon we knew from Yamit.
you protected yourself since you appeared on the list?
waiting for the Arabs to need protective armor. I sit on my porch in Tel Romeida
exposed to the Arabs. I am not going to hide behind armor plate. Since the Arabs
in Idana were killed last week, itís been quiet. I wonít say I support what they
did, but since that attack against the Palestinians in Idana, attacks against us
here have gone down 50%.
you explain the fact that three Jewish leaders in Chevron are wanted by Arafat?
hard to explain, but apparently even the Arabs sense that Chevron is the
standard bearer in the struggle of the Jews for Eretz Yisroel.
Resident of Alon Moreh and brother to Education Minister, Limor Livnat
Livnat also appears on the wanted list presented by Rafik Tirawi, who serves as
head of the elite Tanzim unit under Arafat. Livnat, who is a resident of Alon
Moreh in the Shomron, isnít impressed by the wanted list that includes his name.
there a connection between your name appearing on the list and your being
related to the minister of education?
no interest in getting into my enemyís mindset, and why they put this one or
that one on the list.
entire Jewish nation is on the list. They didnít mean me personally. They intend
to kill us all. They publicized the first fifty people they want to wipe out,
chív, but their list is very long and includes millions of Jews.